Hello and welcome back to MGA Study Hall, where all things Morning Glories are analyzed, dissected and poured over with the hope that we can figure out just what is going on!
Today’s issue is issue #38, the Abraham and Ike issue. I can’t say any more than that.
Join me as I discuss the issue, its story and the possible hidden secrets that we may or may not be picking up on. I should note: this column contains massive spoilers for the issue. Enormous. Colossal, even. The issue is out today, so make sure to read it first before you read our thoughts. It helps to give the issue a few read throughs before coming to us, but consider this your warning about impending spoilers.
As always, our very lovely/supremely awesome column header was designed by the graphic designer for the actual book, Tim Daniel! For more of Tim’s work, please visit his site Hidden Robot and be sure to check out Tim’s books “Curse” and “Skinned“!
One more thing before we begin, as I’d like to continue to throw out this short plug:
For more details, click the image above. As for myself, I’ve got theorizing to do. Let’s kick it off.
News Piece #1: Joe’s Not-“Morning Glories” Variant Cover
This past Monday was the Final Order Cut-Off date for BOOM! Studios’ “The Woods” by James Tynion IV and Michael Dialynas. And, as a retailer incentive, BOOM! had a special variant commissioned from “Morning Glories'” Joe Eisma exclusive to the first issue, which you can see above.
It’s a bit late to pre-order the book now, so if your retailer ordered some be on the lookout for it. The book is certainly something that would ostensibly appeal to “Morning Glories” fans, though, as it takes place in a high school and is a big sci-fi mystery series. It’s not too much like “Morning Glories” (this one finds the school and all its inhabitants transported to another planet in another dimension and is decidedly less stylized/scientific as our book), but be on the lookout for it in May.
News Piece #2: The Coolest “Morning Glories” Fan-Shoot Ever
One of the coolest thing about comics is the culture that surrounds it, and one particularly great offshoot of that is the world of cosplay. And, if you haven’t seen it yet, a couple fans took it upon themselves to do one heck of a “Morning Glories” shoot which is well worth checking out for fans of the series.
And now, for the Study Hall.
Starting with the Cover
The first thing I’d like to call a bit of obvious attention to is the cover of the issue, seen at the top. For those unaware, it is a direct nod to the cover to issue #24, which featured Abraham in place of Ike:
The connection between the two characters is obviously strong, considering Abraham is Ike’s father, though I wouldn’t necessarily glean any particular information from this cover connection. Given the things present in this issue, particularly the ideas put forth about a shared memory space between father and son that exists thanks to this cell, it seems a fitting enough homage.Continued below
The first thing that we see in this issue is Gribbs laying in his hospital bed with Lara by his side, repeating a speech we saw some of in issue #37. In the last issue, we saw them through the perspective of Akiko, who was having some kind of out of body experience that allowed her to perceive times both past, present and future, but with this issue we see a little bit more of that scene — particularly in Lara being a bit passive aggressive before leaving the room, and Gribbs and Akiko to their rest.
I suppose it is worth stating the obvious that as she leaves, there Akiko is in bed and there is no additional version of her sitting in the chair watching the scene unfold. Akiko’s travels in the last issue were very much only visible to her (and Fortunato apparently) and this issue confirms it, though we still don’t know if she is alive or dead.
Of course, as soon as Lara leaves, Gribbs wakes up. As they say, it’s tough to keep a good man down! Nice shooting, Ike.
And the first thing he utters is the name “Abraham.” In turn, the comic immediately cuts to Abraham (for a scene we’ll discuss more in a upcoming section).
Gribbs mentioning Abraham over Ike is a bit interesting. Gribbs was assumedly friends with Abraham at one point (see: issue #24) and despite the fact that Gribbs had taken on the assignment of torturing Abraham for a while, he didn’t particularly seem to hate him; sure, he got some sick pleasure out of it, but it was more out of malice than anything personal I think. Gribbs is clearly a sadist.
Not only that, but it was Ike who actually shot him! Remember?
So despite all of this, despite obviously wanting to teach Ike a lesson or two, he’s still first and foremost concerned about Abraham, which is fascinating.
While I have my doubts, I don’t think it’s unreasonable that a man of Gribbs’ position at a school like Morning Glory Academy would perhaps have some kind of awareness of the events that had taken place while he was out. After all, as we saw in the last issue, Akiko is in a coma and is still able to move about; this certainly comes from her special-ness, but I subscribe to the idea that there must be something special about the teachers as well. We’ve never had strict confirmation of it outside of Lara, but I think it stands to reason. So it is possible that Gribbs actually knows Abraham is missing, through one way or another.
But if he didn’t know, if there was no way he could possibly know (Lara seems confident Gribbs can hear her in his coma, so maybe she told him) , it still stands as noteworthy that his first thought goes to the man he was torturing rather than the boy who shot him. Gribbs will confront Ike later in the issue, but this is an indication of the kind of relationship that Gribbs and Abraham have, that Abraham’s whereabouts would be more important to Gribbs than the kid who put a bullet in the back of his head.
Gribbs will also later refer to his interaction with Abraham as “blinded by the prize before me,” so that’s certainly a curious nod to the sort of relationship that they had. You almost get the idea that Abraham betrayed Gribbs, and that that could be part of the reason he is otherwise so vindictive.
The Adventures of Abraham in: The Room Full of Snakes
As we turn the page and acclimate to Abraham’s situation, we find Abraham in Morocco (as Ike will later name) covered in snakes, though he doesn’t seem to mind. He gets up and leaves the room he’s in, only to be confronted by a large and aggressive dog and a young boy who asks him “Best two out of three?”
If these things seem at all familiar, then good catch: all of these were previously seen in the Season 1 Finale, issue #25, as experienced by Ike. (We’ll discuss this more soon.)Continued below
How Abraham got there is a bit uncertain, though. After the events of Woodrun and once the timeline is all set, Abraham simply disappears; how he got from Point A to Point B is certainly up for debate. Does he know how to escape the facility? Did he get out through a hatch? Did he hijack a plane? I don’t know.
However, if I had to guess, the fact that Abraham is waking up in a room seems perhaps the most telling. If we can make an assumption for a minute, I think if we look at what we know of time travel in “Morning Glories” we can perhaps get the best guess as to what happened, in that Abraham found his way to a shrine and managed to activate it, traveling through time to this location in Morocco. I’d even go so far as to assume that, ostensibly like Hodge, Abraham is trained enough to know exactly how to travel to where he wants to be, even if he doesn’t necessarily count on the snakes.
One thing to consider in regards to the snakes, though, is that snakes are often used as a symbol for a number of things. There’s the idea that they represent rebirth, which seems to fit well into this scenario; this certainly seems like Abraham getting a new lease on life in some ways. There’s the idea that they are guardians for temples and other sacred spaces, which could relate to the shrine or even the potential holy aspect of Abraham himself. Snakes have also been used to symbolize vengeance or vindictiveness, which could have some legitimacy here due to his relationship with Gribbs and the gun that Abraham picks up.
(And I suppose it is worth noting that in actual Abrahamic religions, the serpent represents sexual desire, or passion. But, uh, I don’t think there’s too much to justify going down that road here, all things considered. I don’t want to get into the idea of Abraham waking up alone in a room covered in– Well. You get it.)
What we can assume, perhaps even safely, is that he arrived after the events of issue #29, based on Gribbs’ upcoming comments (which in turn adds additional perspective to Akiko’s visions from #37 in terms of when her visions potentially take place, specifically in that she sees Abraham with a gun in Morocco from a panel that is repeated in this issue). While we’ve posited that the Academy itself exists in a place outside of relative time and dimensions, I think it is still a possibility that whenever Abraham is is occurring in conjunction with the events that are taking place in the school somehow. No matter where the school is, the “real world” does exist outside somewhere; it is possible that that is where Abraham is.
There’s another option.
The Other Time Travel Theory
It wouldn’t be Study Hall if I didn’t introduce a wild theory! Get your pen and paper ready, kids: if we want to get a bit crazy on it, I think it’s possible that Abraham is hiding within his own timeline.
It’s an audacious thought, but hear me out. Abraham noted back in issue #25 that the events of his murder hadn’t happened yet, and I think it’s fair to say that we are all under the assumption that some form of time travel is involved in how that can be true. And since he was present in issue #11 to help clean it up, it’s clear that he can go back to places within his own timeline when necessary.
So let’s hypothesize for a moment that, perhaps, the Academy has a full list of Abraham’s history. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility; there’s Hodge’s mysterious blank paper which seems to know things about people, for example. We also know that time is circular; that everything that has happened before will happen again, and the book has often mentioned this. So if we take stock in the additional aspect of fate that is very present in this book, it’s possible that somewhere in the Academy, they already know where he is going — it’s honestly just a matter of when.Continued below
I’ll even casually remind you the theory I proposed in issue #28 that Hodge was sending herself messages through time. So, you know, anything’s possible, right?
We’ll need to discuss the timeline thing more later, as well as reasons why Ike could see these things in issue #25 and can connect to them now as well. But in the meantime,
Three Quick Thoughts: Guns, Chances and Parallels
I don’t have really big theories about these three items, but they were all something I wanted to point out.
First off, we have Abraham picking up a gun that he seems almost confused about the appearance of. The reason this stands out to me is that this could be the gun Ike used to shoot Gribbs. I’m not sure what other gun would be accessible to Abraham or why else it would be there, so it sort of sticks out to me.
Why? Well, if there’s a gun there, then what shrine did Abraham travel from?
I’ll remind you that after the events in the basement, Shirtless Abraham was marched outside of the school by Irina for everyone to see in issue #28 before he ran away. So while I’m not very concerned about where he got the shirt from, I do find the gun curious — because if it is in fact the gun that was used to shoot Gribbs, that means he would’ve traveled back into the basement to get it, right? And if he traveled into the basement, where in the lower levels of the school could he possibly go to travel out of the school? Assuming he didn’t know how to get back upstairs and out before anyone noticed, of course — there are a lot of sub-basements to this place!
So did he escape in that room? And if so, is that why Gribbs takes Ike there?
The second thing I want to make note of is the boy asking Abraham, “Best Two out of Three?” Perhaps it’s nothing, but the line seems to have importance, especially since it is given as a question (versus in issue #25, when it is a statement).
The idea of “best two out of three” specifically relates to the notion that you can lose once, but if given two additional potential chances you could win. We already know that in one form of a timeline, Abraham is murdered by his son — but that hasn’t happened yet. While I do not think I have enough to back this up evidence-wise (circumstantial, sure, but nothing concrete), I don’t think it’s beyond reason to believe that this boy’s remark and the fact that Ike will access memories of Abraham in Morocco could relate to the notion that whatever Abraham is about to get up to is Abraham’s second chance to do something right, or to otherwise win.
That is to say, an additional check in the box for him traveling in his own timeline. Perhaps this is Abraham’s second chance?
As mentioned, a frequently mentioned mantra of this book is that everything that has happened will happen again. There’s even a line later mentioning Abraham’s “last stay” in Morocco, which certainly seems related. And I’d remind you that both Vanessa and Casey were able to directly interact with their pasts, though only one seemed to have been fated to happen (as Vanessa’s interaction with Brendan was otherwise erased — even if a small, lingering aspect remained somehow).
Lastly, I think we should note that Abraham wakes up, stumbles about and then says “Ike.”
If that’s not a direct parallel to Gribbs, then I quit.
Ladies, Ladies, Ladies! Ike and Crippled Gribbs are in the Hizzouse!
And just in time for Pizza Friday!
After some time away from the spotlight, everyone’s favorite scoundrel Ike is back in action — strutting his stuff, winking at all the ladies and still choosing to sit with Jade in the lunchroom. What a fella.
For the past couple issues, we haven’t really seen to much of Ike. We’ve had little scenes of him here and there, but all things considered he’s been otherwise ostracized from the group; when he showed up to the team meeting in issue #34, they made it pretty clear that they had tried to organize the whole thing without him, but he heard and tagged along anyway. This isn’t 1951 anymore; the people do not like Ike.Continued below
What I really like about this scene, however, is that we kind of get a return to form for the series, at least to a point. We haven’t really had a scene like this in quite some time; it was honestly nice to be put into the thick of the school’s day-to-day activities and show that these kids are kids, even for a moment, with Ike being Ike. Jade does’t get too much time in the scene, though you do have to love how one panel of her running her fingers through her hair says more than enough in terms of how she feels during this scene.
But Ike apologies in the only way Ike can, and it’s kind of sweet.
What’s really brilliant about this scene is the framing of Ike’s reintroduction and Gribbs’ meeting of Ike. Take a look:
The scenes are displayed at opposing angels, which really helps to exemplify how important this scene is for both characters. For each character it’s about returning triumphant, head held high as if nothing had ever happened. For Ike it’s easy because he can stand up straight and throw a few winks; what makes this really work, though, is how Gribbs’ return is in a wheelchair and he still seemingly gets the upper hand! This is some damn excellent framework by Eisma and really shows-off how smart the art of this book is.
We also get the return of the Gossip Girls, who I don’t think we’ve seen in some time, even if they have different hair. I mean, the Gossip Girls are more of an idea, anyway, you know? Besides, I heard Gossip Girl was, like, a guy or something? I don’t know. I didn’t watch that show.
The Subbasement of Doom (or, A Hard Lesson)
The main interaction between Gribbs and Ike takes place in the basement in the former cell of Abraham. Gribbs brings Ike down in order to find out where Abraham has gone, though it’s made clear via dialogue with Nurse Nine that he is doing this without the additional knowledge of the school — which in turn makes Gribbs’ rage towards Abraham an obvious and very personal vendetta. I’d guess that Gribbs woke up, rounded up a posse and went out looking for some Ike; that’s one angry dude.
However, the way that they get Ike to figure out where Abraham is is by having Ike access a shared space of memory between the two of them. It appears that because of the shared genealogy and their time together within this space, Ike can gain access to Abraham’s mind, though whether it is via memory or some direct connection is a bit uncertain (I’d guess memory). And in order to get this out of Ike’s head, Ike is given a drug that is similar to what we’ve seen others injected with at this school previously, and then has his head bashed against the wall to get it going.
In terms of the head bashing, I’d imagine this is just Gribbs being sadistic. We’ve seen the drug in use before, so there’s no real reason to believe that this is actually something that needs to happen. Besides, Ike shot Gribbs in the head; you’d want to bash his head against the wall if he’d done that to you, right?
The use of this particular drug is noteworthy, though. We don’t really know what’s in it, but I’d remind you that the first time we ever saw it was way back in issue #3, when it was used on Jade in order to find out what she saw when her eyes were opened. The drug is described as “wonders upon wonders,” which certainly opens up a whole potential realm of possible origin, but it’s apparently a real eye opener (pun intended), as Ike does seem to be able to gain a connection of some kind.
And what’s more, it’s remarkably similar to what we kind of believe to have happened with Jade. In issue #3 we saw her get an injection, and in issue #10 we saw a dream sequence in which we saw her future and then she spoke to her future-self; there was a direct correlation between the use of the drug and her ability to travel along her own timeline. So with its use on Ike, given that Abraham is his father, it reinforces the idea I’ve proposed previously that time travel is done along the path of a past relative, and this in turn could strengthen the idea that Abraham has gone back along his own timeline as well.Continued below
Like Father, Like Son
So, as previously discussed, when Abraham wakes up in this issue he experiences some things we saw through a slightly different perspective back in issue #25, from the point of view of Ike.
Back in issue #25, Abraham was confronted by Ike over the fact that he is somehow still alive, despite having been murdered by Ike. Abraham admits to Ike that his murder hasn’t happened yet, which causes Ike to break down and hallucinate. While Ike’s visions are a little different than what Abraham experiences (Ike is covered in snakes in a smaller room, and it’s an old man who states (not asks) “Best two out of three”), this shared thing between father and son becomes an interesting plot point that is explored in this issue. It appears that because the two of them shared time in this cell, it allowed for a particular connection to be made that is not lost, particularly due to their genealogy as noted by Gribbs, and that this is something that can then be exploited as it allows their minds to connect in a very specific way.
While I wouldn’t say this is confirmation of anything, there is a theory I introduced specifically relating to issue #32 that one method of time travel can be achieved by transposing throughout past and future lives, with the traveler inhabiting their different generations. This could be what Gribbs means in his later comments about “mommy and daddy never leav(ing) you.” But there’s probably more to it than that.
Given this theory alongside Jade’s forced/alternate time travel via injection (issues #3 and #10), it is possible that Ike is able to connect with Abraham in this fashion, allowing him to see where Abraham is currently.
Or, if we subscribe to the idea that Abraham is hiding within his own timeline, an idea that I think holds some value is that the reason Ike could see these things that his father saw is because he was accessing a form of memory. It’s possible that Abraham would of course at some point end up in Morocco, because there are certain actions that he otherwise has to perform there. Therefore, if the Academy can figure out that he is in Morocco, they can in turn immediately dispatch agents to collect him. Gribbs even presses Ike for additional information of who he is with and for additional details, perhaps to get a better idea of when he is.
As such, what notably happens in this issue? Abraham wakes up in Morocco and is immediately chased by faceless people from some unknown organization, presumably of the Academy as clarified by Walid. Coincidence?
There is power of some kind within the room, and it’s something that is being taken advantage of — by Abraham, by Ike and particularly by Gribbs. In fact, given Gribbs’ obsession with Abraham, one could even go so far as to make the claim that going down and beating Abraham daily was a form of prayer to him, which could really make this room spiritual (and therefore a shrine).
So in all of this, what’s my theory? Well, based on everything we’ve talked about so far, I think it’s perhaps not too out of the realm of belief to assume that Abraham or someone else turned his cell into some form of shrine, which allows for travel in (and perhaps out) of the room, as well as for Ike to somehow gain access their shared memory. Gribbs even mentions that is the cell that “your pa vanished from,” which seems like something he shouldn’t be able to know and is something we’d speculated on earlier, so that perhaps is another clue as to how Abraham escaped.
And after escaping, Abraham went back within his own timeline to relive a specific moment that the Academy can predict and get people to, but that his travel back in time is perhaps equally “changing the game” in the same way Irina changed the game when she sent the Academy forward in time, which would explain A Notable Thing about the ending.
That’s why Ike could see some things back in issue #25. This is why they’re slightly different now.Continued below
The Adventures of Abraham in: The Truants of Morocco
Back with Abraham on the run from Academy agents (potentially for reasons we just discussed), Abraham meets with the infamous Walid, a character who was first mentioned back in issue #25 when Abraham arrived at his burning camp and called for several characters. We don’t know much about the relationship between Abraham and Walid, though we can infer that Walid was a pupil of his, perhaps one of the best ones.
(Walid, by the way, is an Arabic name meaning “newborn.” #funfact)
Walid takes Abraham via a wonderful and dangerous motorcycle action sequence through the streets of Morocco to meet Caleb, who bears what is perhaps a not necessarily coincidental similarity to the boy we saw in the photograph in issue #24 (ie he has blonde hair). Caleb is also, for what its worth, wearing an outfit similar to that which we see at the Academy. This certainly complicates things, as where he came from in this particular scenario is definitely up for debate — though I will note that he’s in blue, whereas our Glories are traditionally in red, so this certainly delineates a perceived difference in how long Caleb has been at the Academy.
(Caleb, by the way, is a Hebrew name meaning “dog.” #funfact)
Walid mentions that he is one of five, with Caleb and another character we’ll see soon being two and three, but this appears to represent a unit – or even a sleeper cell – of Abraham’s former acolytes who are in hiding from the Academy, which is certainly interesting alongside the formation of the Glories and the Truants (both of whom I’ll note have 6 members). And while this team doesn’t really have a name yet, they appear to be up to something; are they there to pick-up Abraham, perhaps even on his orders (especially if he knows of this event in his timeline!), or are they up to something completely different?
So. Lets talk about the timeline.
As we’ve discussed previously, the timeline of “Morning Glories” is always a bit in question, with many theories existing as to how things add up – the school exists in a place outside of time, on another plane of reality, etc. But while the school’s placement is still in question, what we can perhaps infer about Abraham from all this is that his death in the “past” (issue #24’s flashback) and his witnessing and participation in the clean-up of it (issue #11) was him physically traveling backwards within his own timeline, armed with the knowledge of events, perhaps even in the form of a re-do. “Best two out of three?”
This would in turn place the events in this issue before his death, somewhere even further back, which would allow him to move up towards that moment — either as the man cleaning it up, or as the man being stabbed. Most likely the man being stabbed, if I had to guess.
We still can’t be sure “when” he is in this issue or what timeline he’s walking along (we can infer/assume) and we can’t really tell whether or not his portion of issue takes place directly alongside the events of the Academy before or even after, despite all assumed empirical evidence, but this does add some light to his continued travels and the nature of time in the book.
Back in issue #22, an idea of time travel was explained to Hunter, which we explained as a loop that has the ability to be changed while still remaining a loop; it’s sort of like Primer, though not quite. And since Abraham can travel in a loop, there’s room for him to fix things as he needs to. “Best two out of three.”
However. Even with this idea, there is one thing in the issue that throws a wrench into everything — because of the appearance of one character in particular.
Welcome Back, Zoe
When we last saw Zoe, she was among those lost in Woodrun, having been shot by Irina. She was not included in the school’s memorial service, although we saw a body on a stretcher that could’ve been hers in issue #29 (and Hunter did “visit” her in issue #31). This leads to the continued question this issue poses: when is Zoe?Continued below
Two inherent possibilities arise. The first relies on the previously mentioned theory that the school exists in some kind of time bubble, where events outside the school do not necessarily match up on a succinct timeline with that of the school. Given that and the idea that Abraham has gone back to a place on his own timeline as well as Abraham’s (also previously mentioned) comments about the nature of time from issue #24, it is possible that the Zoe we are meeting now is a Zoe that has not yet gone to the Academy, someone who exists in the past depending on when exactly Abraham currently is.
How she found out to go to this group is certainly a big mystery, as Abraham seems shocked to see her. But he also seems shocked to see Walid and Caleb, which is perhaps telling. Perhaps she was just a secret cell member, or even that Abraham had thought he sent her off to do something else so why would she be here? If we’re on the repeat timeline theory, Zoe should technically be off at public school killing her bestie, right?
However, we can also take a look a this through a different, more conspiratorial angle. While we can assume we saw Zoe’s body, we do not specifically know what became of her after time was “fixed.” Her body was seemingly taken back to the school, but she wasn’t included in their memorial service, so why do they have her body? What are they doing with it?
While I would say this is conceivably more of a stretch (than time displacement – go figure, right?), it is perhaps somewhat conceivable that her body was taken back to the school and revived in some way. The school saw Zoe as a threat and referred to her as a predator, and I would imagine they wouldn’t just let her go to waste after all that. After all, there’s probably a reason she wasn’t included in the memorial service.
That, or she found some way to otherwise escape death. Nick has said time and time again that dead is dead, but a) we saw Jade’s mother come back to life, b) we know that you can transfer your mind (see: Hisao and Jun) and c) we also know that people who die still have the ability to create an aftershock of some kind — or rather, to have a presence despite their lack of breathing. We talked a lot about it in the last issue when I theorized that we spent the entire issue watching Akiko die.
Theorizing about how Zoe is here seems like an easy way to fall down a rabbit hole, so I’ll refrain from doing it too much more. Personally, I don’t think this is necessarily a past version of Zoe, but if it is I think she has some kind of knowledge of what her future holds. Abraham’s shock seems like no skin off her back, but his shock seems more related to the fact she should be dead at the hands of Irina.
But I suppose time will tell, won’t it?
Also: how about that Morning Glory Babies strip, eh?
As I’ve mentioned before, the Morning Glories Wikipedia is now live, featuring copious notes and annotations. While I’ve not written anything particular for it, I’ve contributed a few inklings here and there, and some notes are sourced for this very column in a cleaner database friendly fashion — so I guess think of it like this column, but with less “me” and more straight-up presentation of materials. Should be good for every time we get a name and are wondering if it has been mentioned before. (I particularly like this entry, myself.)
In further things you should be following, the Morning Glory Academy Study Hall podcast is live and updated with tons of episodes for you to listen to, including commentary for the fourth arc ‘Truants.’ You can find them streaming here on Multiversity Comics (see below for links) or on Podomatic and on iTunes. For those unaware of its purpose, this is a podcast that I do with Nick Spencer and Joe Eisma in which we discuss each individual issue at length, offering up commentary tracks to go alongside your reads. It’s pretty much the best.Continued below
Fifth arc discussion will be coming … soon. There may be other announcements coming as well.
And, oh, I suppose while linking to rival website isn’t good for Multiversity business, I will note that all-around good guy Kiel Phegley does a column called Morning Glory Days about “Morning Glories” where he interviews Nick that is a pretty interesting read for fans of the series. I won’t actively say you should visit other websites besides Multiversity, but I do like Kiel. It’s worth a read.
If you’d like to contact myself directly with thoughts or comments, shoot me an e-mail at the very specific email@example.com. I have a real e-mail that you can find at the bottom as well, should you prefer that.
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Previous audio podcasts: second arc interviews, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, second arc wrap-up, NSRFQR, third arc interviews, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, third arc wrap-up, all of the fourth arc