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I think 52 directly relates to Final Crisis. Off t...

2010-03-02T09:15:44.951-05:00

I think 52 directly relates to Final Crisis. Off the top of my head the birth of 52 Universes, and the somewhat undarkening of Batman. Play a part in his Batman run and Final Crisis.

Oh, absolutely. I really enjoyed this article. Whi...

2010-02-22T00:42:58.760-05:00

Oh, absolutely. I really enjoyed this article. While is may be daunting, I think this will be really helpful for people trying to make sense of some of the more difficult titles to penetrate.

As for David, I liked Superman Beyond. He can suck it.

Haha, yeah, these will all be a bit lengthy (wait ...

2010-02-22T00:02:14.106-05:00

Haha, yeah, these will all be a bit lengthy (wait until I do one on Batman). But I'm spurred on by the thought that there have to be other suckers for continuity out there!

Right?

Note to self: Pick up all of the titles I don'...

2010-02-21T23:02:18.701-05:00

Note to self: Pick up all of the titles I don't currently own.

It's only about...18.

I definitely get what you're saying, David, an...

2010-02-21T17:25:46.584-05:00

I definitely get what you're saying, David, and have often wondered whether Morrison purposefully broke it up that way or if DC originally wanted Final Crisis to only be 7 issues long and Morrison was able to wiggle in a couple of tie-ins so he didn't have to compress the story any more than it already was.

As for what Killboi said, I suppose the importance of Animal Man is debatable, but I feel it is just a great way to get in the proper mindset. I disagree with you on JLA though, seeing as it introduces the concept of superheroes as the heralds of the Fifth World (which an integral part of Final Crisis).

Well, first off it wouldn't be very "Morr...

2010-02-21T16:47:26.652-05:00

Well, first off it wouldn't be very "Morrison" if you didn't have to read 50 things before it, now would it? Hahahaha. My favorite thing about Morrison is that he's so complicated, but that's just me.

And second, Superman didn't save the world! The Green Lantern Corps did with their uber stake construct, duhhhhhhh

Here's my central problem with Final Crisis: y...

2010-02-21T16:41:41.263-05:00

Here's my central problem with Final Crisis: you shouldn't have to read it in concert with other titles in very specific order to get the full experience.

Morrison's recommended reading order is:

Final Crisis #1-3
Superman Beyond #1-2
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Final Crisis #4-5
Batman #682-683
Final Crisis #6-7

That't great. Final Crisis should have been 12 issues long and they should have called that Final Crisis. As is, the series as a whole made little to no sense. Even if you did throw in the proper order, I couldn't get through the interminable dreck that was Superman Beyond.

All in all, I am not a Final Crisis fan. I think that it fails at its core concept: to tell a story. If you read Final Crisis (by itself) you are missing large chunks of story that are hidden in other issues...that is not how a comic should be written.

Nice write up assuredly, and it's cool that you targeted the proper order if you want to experience it fully. I'd prefer Morrison to tell one logical narrative that didn't involve Superman saving the world by singing.

ohh boy!! this list could easily scare a newcomer....

2010-02-21T15:46:52.290-05:00

ohh boy!! this list could easily scare a newcomer. and i don't see how his JLA/Animal Man are crucial to understanding of final crisis apart from letting us know his style of writing. and then, i agree that final crisis is highly misunderstood and might have garnered more appreciation if it wasn't named "FINAL CRISIS". but credit to DC for turning it into best event that ever took place in comics. all those tie-in's are of very high quality (although they do not support the main title directly) and i loved each and every single one of them.
looking forward to many more multiverse stories by morrison.

Hahaha, it's pretty ridiculous. Honestly, I c...

2010-02-21T15:21:14.801-05:00

Hahaha, it's pretty ridiculous.

Honestly, I could talk Morrison all day!! But I think, in the end, this comic sums it up better than I can:

http://comiccritics.com/2009/02/20/final-confusion/

Well duh, hasn't EVERYONE read Captain Carrot ...

2010-02-21T15:17:12.240-05:00

Well duh, hasn't EVERYONE read Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew? hahaha

Yeah, Mary Marvel as a villain is the biggest thin...

2010-02-21T15:14:49.135-05:00

Yeah, Mary Marvel as a villain is the biggest thing. And Darkseid prepping his army, but that was seeded through a lot of different titles, like the stuff with the Crime Bible and the Dark Side Club. But see, this is what I adore about Final Crisis. In comparison with the "big three," FC was a story about stories. He tried so hard to find all these different stories and weave them together into one large uber-inter connecting DCU, which is something DC has always tried to do. They fully believe that every damn little thing is interconnected, which is why they have events like the Crisis events (i.e. Crisis on Infinite Earths, which straightened out continuity and then Infinite, which helped open it up again). So you've got Morrison, who loves every book ever (see: his Batman run) and he's like, "alright, now I'm going to reference EVERYTHING EVER!" Hahahaha. It was epic.

I mean, to partially understand Final Crisis, you have to read Captain Carrot, so.... :-)

Blast, I forgot about Mary Marvel's corruption...

2010-02-21T15:08:33.548-05:00

Blast, I forgot about Mary Marvel's corruption. Other than that, the rest is just semantics over what you need to know and what you "need" to know, which people will always disagree with each other over. I concede your point though.

Weeeeell, Countdown has that stuff with Superboy P...

2010-02-21T15:02:01.269-05:00

Weeeeell, Countdown has that stuff with Superboy Prime, as well as Mary Marvel's corruption and the death of Bart Allen is connected to it as well. There are some things that you "need" to know in order to help make FC make more sense, but they're not by Morrison.

While I agree with 52, I still think Countdown sho...

2010-02-21T14:55:01.826-05:00

While I agree with 52, I still think Countdown should be avoided at all costs. Morrison and Johns pretty much wrote DC Universe #0 (unfortunately not reprinted in a trade) so you didn't need to read Countdown before reading Final Crisis (at least that's what I've concluded due to interviews in such). It's too bad it started out with such a good idea, because now I fear that due to Countdown's poor sales and reception we will never get a good title that consists solely of multiverse adventuring.

Also, while it's not written by Morrison, Coun...

2010-02-21T14:45:50.378-05:00

Also, while it's not written by Morrison, Countdown to Final Crisis does help, considering a lot happens in there (even though most people hate it). 52 probably should be read, but like you said it's not necessarily needed. You should just read it because it's great anyway.

If you did a list of all the things you needed to read to understand all the Crisis stuff in general, 52 and Countdown would definitely need to be on it.

Three cheers for saying Final Crisis was good and ...

2010-02-21T14:38:32.477-05:00

Three cheers for saying Final Crisis was good and the critics were at flaw! While I feel that's not the best argument to make, I 100% AGREE WITH IT, hahaha.

...I loved Final Crisis.