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    Is This The Marvel Legacy?

    By | June 26th, 2017
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    This what we were promised:

    Every Hero! Every Title! Every Story! Tomorrow, MARVEL LEGACY Changes the Comic Book Industry!

    Get ready for a new dawn True Believers — one whose rays will touch every corner of the Marvel Universe in the days to come! Tomorrow, get ready for the return of what you’ve been longing for — and more! Prepare for the debut of MARVEL LEGACY!

    “A new initiative that will take things back to our iconic history, with a firm eye on the future, MARVEL LEGACY will present stories that remind everyone — newcomers and longtime fans alike — why Marvel stands as the premier name in fiction,” said Editor in Chief Axel Alonso. “Our titles will unearth gems from Marvel’s rich history, remind readers of connections between characters, and usher in the return of some major characters who’ve been missed. Above all else, we want to inject our comics with a massive dose of fun!”

    Kicking off this September with MARVEL LEGACY #1, an over-sized 50-page, one-shot special, Marvel Comics titles step towards a bright new future – one that harkens back to what has made Marvel a household name while looking towards tomorrow. With fun and thrilling reveals primed to excite fans, both existing and new, this fall, prepare for MARVEL LEGACY!

    What we got were waves of announcements of titles that would be remaining as part of Legacy, and a handful of new titles. We got looks at homage variant covers, not even regular covers. We got no creative team announcements, instead we got the Marvel (ironically) 52.

    Before we continue here’s a list of every title a part of Legacy so far, grouped by wave. You can check out our full coverage here.

    Wave 1
    “Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur”
    “Astonishing X-Men”
    “Incredible Hulk” (Amadeus Cho version)
    “Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows”
    “X-Men: Blue”

    Wave 2
    “Invincible Iron Man” (Riri Williams version)
    “Luke Cage”
    “Old Man Logan”
    “Secret Warriors”

    Wave 3
    “Champions” (seemingly adding the new Wasp and others)
    “Guardians of the Galaxy”
    “Hawkeye” (seemingly Kate Bishop and Clint)
    “Jessica Jones”
    “Spider-Man” (Miles Morales)

    Wave 4
    “Avengers” (same line-up as the current iteration)
    “The Despicable Deadpool”
    “Moon Knight”
    “The Punisher” (teasing he’d become the new War Machine)

    Wave 5
    “Black Panther”
    “The Mighty Captain Marvel”
    “Doctor Strange”
    “Generation X”
    “The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl”

    Wave 6
    “Monsters Unleashed”
    “Black Bolt”
    “The Amazing Spider-Man”
    “All-New Wolverine”

    Wave 7
    “Spirits of Vengeance” (a Ghost Rider, Blade, Satanna, and Daimon Hellstrom team-up book)
    “Defenders” (same line-up as the current generation)
    “Jean Grey”
    “X-Men: Gold”
    “Spider-Man vs. Deadpool” (which had the wrong cover art at first)

    Wave 8
    “Ben Reilly: The Scarlet Spider”
    “The Unbelievable Gwenpool”
    “Iron Fist”
    “Uncanny Avengers”

    Announced individually at the end
    “The Mighty Thor” (depicting the death of Jane Foster)
    “Ms. Marvel”
    “Falcon” (teasing Sam Wilson returns to his old mantle in the first ever Falcon ongoing)
    “Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man” (teasing Peter behind bars)
    “Weapon X”
    “Marvel Two-In-One” (the revival of an old Marvel title starring the Thing and Human Torch)

    Now let’s be honest with ourselves, how industry changing is this really?

    There are only 8 new, returning, or renamed series, everything else is continuing from where they left off. They’re killing off Jane Foster (probably a throw away idea), but she is one of the best characters Marvel has grown in the last few years, and it will be a shame to see her go. Sam Wilson is going back to being the Falcon, and although it’s cool that that will be the first time there has ever been a title published under that name, it takes away from previous promises of Legacy of having Legacy characters and the originals live alongside one another. It also goes against the most recent Mark Brooks cover with Sam Wilson still as Cap on it. Also while we’re at it, where’s a Captain America title? They just announced and solicited a new “Runaways” that starts this fall, but it’s not here. “Ultimates” is gone after reverting to legacy numbering. And where’s Odinson Thor? Why is Tony still an AI, as previewed in September’s solicitations? There’s no Banner, no Black Widow? There’s so much about Legacy that I still don’t understand, but I do know that I believe this wasn’t earth-shattering, industry changing, with multiversal implications like was promised.

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    And that’s the problem.

    I can believe that in a new relaunch Marvel would still keep most of the titles published. Their mainstays, things like “Amazing Spider-Man,” “Invincible Iron Man,” “Black Panther,” “Ms.Marvel,” should always exist and be a part of a Marvel line-up. But what this feels like is just folding in the recent Resurrxion titles and Marvel Now 2.0, and slapping a new name on it. Marvel’s promotional materials seemed to attempt to satisfy both sets of ornery fans: either Marvel is focusing too much on the newer, less established legacy characters, or they aren’t going all-in enough on those new characters, constantly keeping the older versions around. This was supposed to be Marvel Rebirth, an attempt to have both new characters and old favorites equally represented. And, from what I can tell, it is not. They gave us hope, and then they took it away.

    I say all those things from looking both at the September 2017 solicitations and from looking back at the previous information Marvel has teased about Legacy. The September solicits teased prologues for huge stories. “The prologue to one of the biggest Iron Man stories in modern history!” says “Invincible Iron Man,” while “Amazing Spider-Man” sets up “the AMAZING SPIDER-MAN event of 2018.” That’s not even to mention “Secret Empire,” “Generations,” “Venomverse,” and “Spider-Men II,” which are still going in September. There’s no hard stop on everything like with Rebirth, this is merely Marvel’s next big continuation. Many people pictured the legacy characters with titles alongside the oldest of Marvel’s characters. An “Ironheart” next to an “Invincible Iron Man,” a “Totally Awesome Hulk” next to a “Incredible Hulk,” two “Captain America” titles still (perhaps not both written by Nick Spencer, but I digress). Again that is not what this is. Marvel has taken what many people pictured as Marvel’s Rebirth and turned it simply into the next big brand name.

    And again, that’s the problem.

    It begs the question, who is this relaunch for? If the majority of the internet crowd is clamoring for a Marvel Rebirth, why is this not that? Who is Marvel selling titles to? What market are they striving for? Because it seems it is not the typical comic book retailer and buyer market. Everyone I saw on Twitter on Friday expressed that same level of disappointment. It seems that we do not understand.

    I spent 10 hours in a car coming back from a long trip continually checking my phone, excited about what it is Marvel could be doing, and with every passing hour I checked less and less, because I got frustrated. I wanted this to be Marvel’s answer to Rebirth, them apologizing, saying hey maybe this seasonal model isn’t working, maybe we don’t need a huge event every year, maybe we don’t need 10 little events every year, maybe we can let these characters evolve breath and grow on their own, maybe we can better. And I was disappointed. We were chatting in our Multiversity Slack about these announcements, and one of our editors, Alice W. Castle, remarked about how she doesn’t read much Marvel anymore, but reads “the good shit on Marvel Unlimited.” And then we all had a long conversation about older Marvel we liked and loved, stuff that held up or didn’t, we reminisced and mourned, is this the Marvel legacy?

    I am willing to give Marvel one more shot, the benefit of the doubt that this is not all that Legacy will be. Perhaps they’re holding something back for SDCC, maybe there is spoilers from the “Marvel Legacy” #1 one-shot that will make all this moot, or bring back something that they seem to be missing, maybe there is still something else out there somewhere in the omniverse that can right this ship and get us back to a healthy, experimental Marvel resembling something we all used to know and love. And maybe we simply don’t understand, and Marvel is turning out profits like they’ve never seen appealing to some market that the typical comic book reader doesn’t know. But right now, the legacy of Marvel is one of relaunches and events big and small. And all this seems like is new #1s disguised as higher numbers, a new jumping-off point until the next reality changing thing comes along.

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    With great power comes great responsibility. And right now it seems that the Marvel legacy, is forgetting the latter part of that statement. But I’m willing to wait. I’m willing to be open. I’m hoping to be surprised. We shall see.

    Sound off in the comments. “Marvel Legacy” #1 hits stores in September.

    Kevin Gregory

    Kevin is a comics lover and current grad student at The University of Chicago. He can be found on Twitter here where he mostly retweets comic creators, satirical theology things, and Lin-Manuel Miranda.


    • Robert Mayland

      They need to fix their big titles.

      Avengers has become irrelevant to Marvel after driving the universe for over a decade.

      Iron Man has been a muddled comic with no clear direction since Matt Fraction left, and same could be said about Captain America and Brubaker.

      Dan Slott has overstayed his welcome on Spider-man a book desperately in need and a fresh writer.

      The X-men are still trash as they have been since the Bendis takeover.

      The shining jem is still Thor but Jane Foster’s Death was foreshadowed 3 years ago in Thor God of Thunder.

      • Kevin Gregory

        I completely agree with all of this. I’ve read a lot of Bendis’ Avengers from when they became important again, and some of it is (some of it’s pretty bad) but yeah that comic has become ancillary. As have most including Iron Man.

        I don’t much mind Slott but I haven’t read a ton of Spider-Man. But I get that the Peter as Tony Stark is old and it needs to change. Spectacular that launched this last week was really good. The new X-Men stuff hasn’t interested me a ton.

        I also havent finished God of Thunder but the first arc was amazing. Gives me hope at least for “Legacy” #1 since it’s Aaron and Ribic reuniting. I really love Jane Foster as Thor. I wouldn’t want that to end if at all possible. If her and Odinson could be Thors together that’d be my ideal world.

    • David Barrentine

      I been reading comics for close to 30 years now. Mostly x-men mostly marvel. I hated the marvel now relaunch and how they have been doing the x books for a while now. So I quit reading marvel books. Went to valiant honest. Harbinger has been my x replacement. Im actually exited about marvel legacy and I am willing to give it a try. I already read most launch titles from ressurexion. It’s been decent. I’m excited about the spirit of vengeance mini series also. Maybe they will get it right this time. Oh a further note I subscribe to comiXology unlimited. That way I get the best of marvel and others.theres 52 named titles for the marvel legacy relaunch but 53 titles coming out. Why don’t they just call the relaunch wolverine reborn bc that will be the 53 title. That’s why they are keeping it a secret. What it took 4 wolverines to replace wolverine. Trust me I called it 1st. Wolverine will be back as 53 relaunch title

      • Kevin Gregory

        David I think that’s awesome you’ve been reading for 30 years. I only hope to get there.
        I think you’re right that a lot of the post-Marvel NOW stuff has been lackluster for old fans in the same way that the New 52 and DCYou were for DC fans. With Rebirth they got a lot of people back.
        I started reading comics in the All-New, All-Different and DCYou eras so I feel like I’ve been able to bridge some of that gap maybe between what’s heralded as amazing in the older days and what we have now. I have not been real excited with Marvel’s output post CW2 and the Legacy stuff has me on edge, because to me it still feels like a gimmick rather than a full-on apology and turn around like Rebirth was. I also havent read any of the X-Men Resurrxion stuff but will try it out for sure I’ve heard good stuff about it. I think Legacy is a step in the right direction, and maybe whatever comes next will be a Marvel we all want.

        But as to your Valiant comments I’m becoming increasingly convinced Valiant has the best shared universe in comics. The newest relaunch has me reading everything . I had started about a year ago to try to read everything since the 2012 reboot and I’m getting closer and closer and it all gets increasingly better.

        I don’t think Wolverine will be the 53rd title however since “All-New Wolverine” still exists but who knows they could have 2? They don’t have a Captain America title at all yet since Sam is going back to being Falcon, it seems the safe bet to think that’ll be the 53rd. But who knows, maybe it’ll be a series with whatever mystery character is returning in the Legacy one-shot.

        • David Barrentine

          You could be right about capt. America. I just know the x-men carried marvel for decades. I remember when all of the top selling comics were x-men comics. Every book had a cameo from wolverine. I know with the movies and everything maybe it isn’t all about the x-men now. I understand they don’t own the rights to the x-men movies. I think a Mcu xmen movie would be great.how they wrote the x men books since before avx. I didn’t like it. Last great men story was second coming to me at least. On other comics. I haven’t read much on rebirth. Seems pretty good from what I have read. And the valiant reboot. That’s just been the greatest comics of recent times. I never was a valiant fan in 92. Back when the original unity crossover happened. Think I got a few 2012 comics free somehow. Read them. I was hooked. Since you are kinda new to comics. I suggest reading messiah complex,x-force vol. 2. Messiah wars. And second coming. That’s the x-men messiah trilogy. Best read for me ever.

          • Kevin Gregory

            I think Marvel is still trying to figure out what to do with the X-Men and bring them back to the core of who they were without being gimmicky and rip that time period off completely. I realize the X-Men used to be the core of Marvel’s line. It seems odd they forget that sometimes. Thank you for the suggestions, I haven’t read a lot of X-men comics, just seen movies and watched some animated shows. I tried to with ANAD Marvel and Extraordinary X-Men because I usually love Jeff Lemire but I had to drop it because it was just sort of boring. But I’ll definitely check out those stories!

    • David Barrentine

      Told you. They were using legacy to bring back wolverine. Just saying. They couldn’t keep their number one hero dead. Wolverine sells books. And honestly I wasn’t even a wolverine fan. But yeah I’m glad he’s back

      • Kevin Gregory

        You were right about Wolverine coming back, good call! It’ll be interesting to see what book he shows up in next, Idk that he will get a new title for awhile, although I bet Jason Aaron will be writing it. Probably spring 2018?

    • Drew Bradley

      Marvel used to be the bulk of my comic purchases, but I started dropping titles in 2012 and haven’t bought any new Marvels for about two years. With hindsight, I can say that’s because of three things. One, editors let big-name writers have too-free a hand in ignoring continuity. I don’t mean 20 year old trivia. I mean abandoned character developments that are less than 2 years old, like what Hickman did with the Inhumans and Ronan so soon after DnA’s work on them, or how the F4 writer after Hickman. This got a lot worse when the bi-annual relaunches started. Two, Bendis took over Guardians of the Galaxy. That’s closely tied to number one, but stands out because GotG and Nova were my favorite books at the time. Three, the MCU really started taking shape at that time, and it provided me a reasonably complete story in one sitting for $8 (or $20ish for a DVD and unlimited sittings) compared to comics that took 6 months or more and cost $24+ dollars.

      Legacy’s return to old numbering carries an implicit promise that continuity will be monitored more closely. That peaked my interest, but at this point I’m too far removed to commit to anything. Now I stick to back issues and indie fare.